After The 2022 Packers Draft

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Starting with McGinn's breakdown, most of which I agree with but as always you really can't "grade" a draft until 4 years later.

Based on his lackluster track record, maybe it was too much to expect general manager Brian Gutekunst to work the board, fully utilize his extensive draft capital and come away from the NFL draft with a solution to the Green Bay Packers’ blatant need at wide receiver.

Instead, Gutekunst waited when he should have pounced in Round 1 and then pounced when he should have waited in Round 2.

So, after letting the prolific Davante Adams walk via the trade route and speedy Marquez Valdes-Scantling depart via free agency, the Packers not only find themselves without a No. 1 receiver but from the looks of it without even a legitimate No. 2.

Let’s hear it for the No. 3’s. The Packers have three or four of those. After standing pat with their motley crew of tight ends, they’re likely to enter the season without a single target that would scare a defense in a game becoming more tilted toward high-flying offenses by the year.

Now Gutekunst must turn like never before to Aaron Rodgers in hopes he can make it all better. Only Rodgers, the NFL’s top-paid player, expected that the organization would retain Adams.

Selfishly, Rodgers is refusing to show up for the voluntary off-season program even though every minute he could spend with the three drafted rookie wide receivers and often-injured Sammy Watkins, the veteran retread, would be invaluable. But he got his, and the Raiders have his alter ego.

“You’re dealing with a very temperamental, passive-aggressive quarterback,” an NFL GM said this week. “Don’t be surprised if 12 doesn’t bail out of this thing. I’m not saying he will; I haven’t heard anything that he will. But if he looks at this and what he’s got to work with, you’re only Houdini for so long. At what point is it just too much? Offensively, they’re going to struggle.”

The Packers needed wide receivers in the worst way. Instead, Gutekunst used his premium choices on an inside linebacker, a defensive tackle and a developmental wide receiver from FCS North Dakota State. Neither Quay Walker, Devonte Wyatt nor Christian Watson was a significant producer in college. The last time the Packers drafted a player as high as Watson’s slot (No. 34) from a small school was 45 years ago: defensive end Ezra Johnson of Morris Brown (No. 28, 1977).

Armed with 11 picks, including the first-round choice (No. 22) and the second-round choice (No. 53) from the Raiders in a trade for Adams, Gutekunst had the wherewithal basically to do whatever he wanted to do in the first round.

Given the urgent, win-now need at wide receiver, the Packers all but ruled out Jameson Williams because of his reconstructed knee that probably will sideline him for at least half the season. Their quarry — Drake London, Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave — went No. 8, No. 10 and No. 11.

In the weakened NFC, the Packers really are a team that’s one player away from winning it all.

The Saints, a non-playoff team in 2021 now led by a new coach, traded up from No. 16 to No. 11 and secured Olave. The Lions, 3-13-1 a year ago, advanced from No. 32 to No. 12 and grabbed Williams.

“You know, I think we went through some scenarios, there were some conversations and stuff,” Gutekunst said in his typical halting fashion after the first round. “I think at the end of the day, you know, we have four picks in these first two rounds and we felt really good about sitting and picking. We certainly explored some options. There was a little run on receivers there and once that kind of happened, I think we were kind of, like, thought we would stay and pick.”

Jahan Dotson, who went No. 16 to the Commanders, was too small for the Packers. In the end, they decided Treylon Burks wasn’t worth trading up to No. 18, the slot Burks was drafted by the Titans. They traded up with the Eagles to make the pick.

At the start of business Friday night, the Packers had keen interest in three wide receivers: George Pickens (6-3, 200, 4.51), Alec Pierce (6-3, 208, 4.44) and Watson (6-4, 208, 4.32). Like Williams, John Metchie was coming off an ACL tear. The Packers regarded Skyy Moore as too small.

Pickens, who returned from an ACL tear of his own to play the final four games last season, was regarded by two personnel directors as the most talented wide receiver in the draft albeit one with some issues related to maturity. Pierce was compared by more than one scout as a faster, less agile Jordy Nelson.

Having had all night and all day to plot their next move, the Packers traded their two second-round draft choices (No. 53, No. 59) to the Vikings and selected the small-school Watson at No. 34 over Pickens and Pierce from college football playoff teams. Gutekunst, a longtime Southeast area scout, ended up picking nine players from Power 5 conferences, one from the Mountain West and Watson out of the Missouri Valley.

Incidentally, six of the Packers’ 11 draftees spent five years in college, four spent four years and one, Sean Rhyan, spent just three. Devonte Wyatt was the only pick that also played in junior college.

This year marked the sixth time in Gutekunst’s five drafts that he traded up, and his history doesn’t suggest genius at work.

His best move was in 2018 with the selection of Jaire Alexander at No. 18, but after first trading down he lost the chance to draft Derwin James (No. 17 to the Chargers). James might well be the NFL’s finest safety; Alexander might well be a top-5 cornerback.

Gutekunst traded forward for Oren Burks in the third round of 2018, safety Darnell Savage in the first round of ‘19, quarterback Jordan Love in the first round of ’20 and wide receiver Amari Rodgers in the third round of ’21. Burks was a bust, Rodgers looks like a bust, Savage has been an adequate three-year starter and Love has been unimpressive in limited exposure.

Someone in the organization must have fallen in love with Watson. Maybe it was a coach. My rankings generally reflect the vote of 16 evaluators that I polled on the leading receivers in the last few weeks leading to the draft. Of the nine wide receivers that received votes, Watson wasn’t one of them. My rankings had him at No. 11.

If the Packers hadn’t made their reactionary move 19 slots up the board, they could have waited for Watson to be taken and then quickly traded up with all of their ammunition to take Pickens or Pierce and ensure they landed one.

Had Gutekunst heeded his own words from Thursday night, as it turned out the Packers could have remained at No. 53 and still drafted Pierce. He went there to the Colts; Pickens almost got there as well, going No. 52 to the Steelers.

If Gutekunst hadn’t been so impatient, he could have followed the selection of Pierce at No. 53 with Bryan Cook at No. 59. He went No. 62 to the Chiefs. A hardnosed strong safety with speed, the Packers viewed Cook as the ideal successor to 29-year-old Adrian Amos, whose contract voids after next season. Having traded No. 59 for Watson, the Packers remain thin at safety.

In the last three days, three executives in personnel for NFL teams reviewed the Packers’ draft at length. Much of the background information also comes from interviews with GMs, personnel directors and scouts in the last two months.

There was considerable praise among scouts for some of the Packers’ selections. Certainly, Gutekunst needed a good draft, and this might be it.

Under Gutekunst, the Packers have drafted 24 players in Rounds 4-7. His best picks were Valdes-Scantling, Jon Runyan, Royce Newman and Kingsley Keke. Not one of those 24 picks has become established as a solid starter.
Gutekunst’s four-man corps of third-round picks has been a washout: Burks, Jace Sternberger, Josiah Deguara and Amari Rodgers.

His four second-round choices include Elgton Jenkins on the top-shelf side, AJ Dillon on the good side, Josh Myers on the wait-and-see side and Josh Jackson on the dismal side.

In the first round, his choice might be ranked like this: Alexander, Rashan Gary, Eric Stokes, Savage and Love.

Almost 4 ½ years since taking over for Ted Thompson, arguably four of the team’s five best players still were drafted by Thompson: Aaron Rodgers, David Bakhtiari, Kenny Clark and Aaron Jones. Alexander is Gutekunst’s only top-5 acquisition.

Gutekunst has done his best work in unrestricted free agency with the signings of Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Billy Turner and Amos in his phenomenal haul from 2019, and De’Vondre Campbell in 2021. Those players, the hiring of Matt LaFleur as coach and the Rodgers-to-Adams record-setting connection has kept the Packers in contention for most of his tenure.

Here is a pick-by-pick look at the Green Bay draft. Following each choice are two numbers. On a 1-to-10 scale — with 10 being the highest — the first number is each player’s chance to make a significant contribution as a rookie; the second number is his chance to make a significant contribution during his career in Green Bay.

1/22. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia (6, 8): Judging from their draft, the Packers were focused on reinforcing an offensive line threatened by the departures of Lucas Patrick, Dennis Kelly and Turner, the November reconstructive knee surgery for Jenkins and the uncertainty regarding Bakhtiari’s twice surgically-repaired knee.

The chances were excellent that if guard Zion Johnson or right tackle Trevor Penning had made it to No. 22, one of them would have been the Packers’ pick. The Chargers chose Johnson at No. 17 before the Saints took Penning at No. 19.

In the end, the Packers’ pick at No. 22 might have come down to inside linebacker Devin Lloyd, Devonte Wyatt or Walker.

Both Lloyd, who went No. 27 on a trade-up by the Jaguars, and Nakobe Dean (No. 83) finished well ahead of Walker in my linebacker poll of 17 scouts. A key factor in the vote was Dean’s preeminent ability to wear the green dot (direct the defense) and Lloyd’s generally perceived ability to do so. Evaluators didn’t regard Walker as a green-dot candidate, at least not early in his career.

Walker, a one-year starter on the loaded defense at Georgia, is the best run-and-hit linebacker in the draft. As the scouting cliché goes, he’s hostile, mobile and agile. He’s also big (6-3 ½, 242), fast (4.52) and strong. He can play the run at him or play it sideline-to-sideline, rates as a strong tackler and is a hard worker, too.

The teams that weren’t as high on Walker focused on what they regarded as his questionable instincts. When compared to Dean, his partner as a stack backer for the Bulldogs, Walker has a slow trigger. He must improve his feel for the game, reduce his number of false steps and react faster, both in coverage and against the run.

His score of 9 on the Wonderlic test obviously raised a red flag for teams. They tended to associate it with the hesitation in his play. One club that did extensive work on Walker cited his inexperience at the position (17 starts) and insisted that his ability to learning wouldn’t be a problem. He was able to outrun some of his late reactions in the college game but that certainly will be harder to do in the NFL.

One evaluator drew a comparison between Walker and three recent first-round picks: Buffalo’s Tremaine Edmunds (6-4 1/2, 251, 4.55, 22 Wonderlic), the No. 16 pick in 2018; Seattle’s Jordyn Brooks (6-0, 240, 4.52, 10 Wonderlic), the No. 27 pick in 2020, and Washington’s Jamin Davis (6-3 ½, 234, 4.47, 14 Wonderlic), the No. 19 pick in 2021.

1/28. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia (7, 8): The main issue is Wyatt’s behavioral problems, the fact that the Packers were willing to gamble taking them on and if or when they might reoccur. Of the five teams I surveyed after the draft, two said Wyatt was off their board because of character concerns, two said he was on their board and the decision-maker for the fifth team said it didn’t make any difference where Wyatt was on their board because he wouldn’t have taken him, anyway.

“He was a high risk,” the decision-maker said. “There’s a lot behind the curtain with this guy. They certainly are taking a swing.”

In a 2020 domestic episode, police in Clarke County, Ga., said Wyatt kicked the door of a woman’s dorm room multiple times “damaging the door and forcing it open.” Police classified the incident as “family violence” because Wyatt lived with the woman at times.

Another team hired a private investigator that discovered an incident in which Wyatt discharged a handgun into the air several times outside a pizza place where his girl friend worked before police were summoned. The team said Wyatt had three episodes of violence that caused them to remove him from consideration.

“It’s more like domestic disturbance and anger management with this guy,” a representative of the team said. “He doesn’t have the social skills to cope with adversity. He’s got anger management issues. His personal upbringing and family … he’s a hard dude.”

Thompson made many friends during his 25 years as a member of the NFL scouting fraternity, including the 13 years in which he directed the Packers’ draft. While not always a paragon of virtue when it came to bringing players to the NFL’s smallest city, Thompson wouldn’t have drafted Wyatt if he were still alive and in the role as Packers GM, two of his friends in personnel maintained.

Gutekunst said Wyatt had a “couple hiccups there at Georgia” and that there were “two or three incidences in which he stubbed his toe.” He added: “We went into that pretty deep with him to make sure we felt comfortable with the human being … he never put his hand on anybody, he never hurt anybody.”
Now the Packers can be expected to allocate abnormal resources within their operation in an attempt to prevent Wyatt from embarrassing management and the staff while also damaging his career.

It was a bad draft for defensive linemen and Wyatt was a clear choice as the top 3-technique. He ran a terrific 40 (4.79) for his size (6-3, 309). Almost every scout said his effort was exceptional. He embraced the physical aspect of football.

Joe Barry, who will be entering his second season as the Packers’ defensive coordinator, played three defensive linemen (300 pounds and up) on 30.6% of the snaps and four big men on 3%. When the Packers have to stop the run, they usually played their base 3-4 front with Dean Lowry, Kenny Clark and either the departed Tyler Lancaster or T.J. Slaton in three-point stances.

Despite having solid strength, there are differences of opinion just how stout Wyatt will be against the run. Everyone agrees that his best work will come on the move. One scout said Wyatt tends to play on his toes, which makes him vulnerable to double-team blocks in the run game.

Wyatt was drafted in the first round largely on his ability to explode off the ball and penetrate gaps. Yet, in 49 games (25 starts), he managed just 12 tackles for loss and five sacks. He disrupted more than he finished.

Besides the questions regarding his character, Wyatt was drafted 28th largely because of his marginal size, below-average arm length (32 5/8 inches) and poor wingspan (78 ¼ inches). One scout referred to him as an “overgrown linebacker,” the position he played in high school until his junior year in Decatur, Ga.

The Packers certainly envision a pass-rushing front of Rashan Gary and Preston Smith outside with Clark and Wyatt inside.

“It looks outstanding,” one scout said. “You’re physically as talented as anybody you’re going against. You can create some matchup problems for people. Anytime you’ve got a quarterback that can score points or score fast, you’re going to be playing teams that want to pass the ball more.”

2/34. Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State (4, 7): Since the Packers’ football renaissance got underway in 1992 they’ve drafted 13 wide receivers in the first three rounds: Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Derrick Mayes, Robert Ferguson, Javon Walker, Terrence Murphy, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Ty Montgomery and Amari Rodgers

In their rookie seasons only, Jones led in receptions (47) and yards (676), Cobb led in average per catch (15.0) and Jennings and Adams led in touchdown catches (three).

The average rookie season for the illustrious group was a meager 20 receptions for 255 yards and 1.4 TDs. Jennings was the only one to make the all-rookie team. Now comes Watson, who unlike all the others hails from an FCS program (formerly Division I-AA). Not only that but he played in a run-first offense in which he blocked for the run more than he ran routes. In 52 games, including 31 starts, he caught merely 105 passes.

Watson (6-4, 208, 4.32) is almost a carbon copy of Marquez Valdes-Scantling (6-4, 202, 4.38). If the Packers are fortunate, Watson will have a rookie season like MVS enjoyed in 2018 after being drafted in the fifth round from South Florida. Only five rookie wideouts that season surpassed his 581 yards. As the 19th wideout drafted, he caught 38, averaged 15.3 and scored twice.

Injuries to Cobb, Geronimo Allison and Jake Kumerow got MVS on the field. He lined up outside, ran mostly take-off and deep over routes and helped force defenses into two-safety shells to open up for the running game and provide Adams with more space underneath. That’s what Watson should be able to do by opening day as well because he can fly. Keep defenses honest, help the run game, block on the perimeter.

At this point, Watson isn’t strong enough. He needs an NFL weight room in addition to NFL coaching. His speed cuts were much more advanced than his hard cuts.

When the ball is thrown to him deep, it’s almost hit or miss if he’ll catch it. He dropped 12 passes in the last two seasons. He can track a home-run ball beautifully one time and flub one the next.

Watson is brainy (38 on the Wonderlic) and an explosive athlete. He probably has more potential than Alec Pierce but probably more of a chance to fail. George Pickens’ ball skills, acrobatic catch ability and SEC background are elements Watson can’t begin to muster. Pickens, however, doesn’t have Watson’s intangibles and speed.

Although Watson did return 26 kickoffs over four seasons for a 26.4 average, several personnel people said he would only get hurt trying to do it in the pros.

3/92. Sean Rhyan, T-G, UCLA (5, 7): He started all three of his seasons at left tackle before declaring a year early. Some teams had him as a guard primarily because of his short arms (32 3/8) and also because of his height (6-4 ½, 323).

The Packers were noncommittal after making Rhyan the 19th offensive lineman to be drafted (and the ninth tackle). It probably just depends where he’s needed most. That might hinge on the health of Bakhtiari and Jenkins and if they think Yosh Nijman, who played all 590 of his snaps at left tackle a year ago, has the horsepower and the game to start on the right side.

The scouts that like Rhyan say his playing style hides his short arms. He’s light on his feet, has good balance and a knack for pass protection.

Although Rhyan is smart (29 on the Wonderlic), one scout downgraded him because of his makeup. Another scout classified him as more finesse than power.

Logan Bruss, the tackle-guard from Wisconsin, went 12 picks after Rhyan to the Rams.

“I’d have taken Bruss 100 times out of 100 times over this guy (Rhyan),” said one personnel man. “This guy can’t play tackle for them. They drafted him as a guard.”

Countered another evaluator: “All he does is walk in Day 1 and be a starter. Way over Nijman.”

4/132. Romeo Doubs, WR, Nevada (3, 4): This wasn’t a stellar class of wide receivers — at the top, in the middle or at the end. Partially because the Packers were desperate and the pool at the position was shrinking fast, they decided to take a fourth-round flier on him.

Doubs (6-2, 204) has the size the Packers almost demand at the position and was one of the last able big men on the board. There were some interesting slots available at the time (Calvin Austin, Khalil Shakir, Kyle Philips), but the Packers might think they have that covered with Cobb and Rodgers.

It took until almost mid-April for Doubs to run for teams, and his 40 time of 4.53 was solid for his size and being the 19th wideout selected. He was a prolific producer for the Wolf Pack, a four-year starter with 225 receptions, a 14.8 average and 26 TDs.

His offseason, however, wasn’t good, starting with an uneven week at the Senior Bowl. Then, after being weighed and measured at the combine, he experienced what one scout labeled an “anxiety meltdown” and didn’t participate after the opening day. He didn’t work at pro day, either, before finally agreeing to work out for scouts. Several teams agreed that Doubs will require extra attention from his new employer in order to navigate pro football. One personnel man said Doubs was a good kid and worth the organizational commitment. Another said Doubs’ need for learning and life-skills development combined with the delayed testing led his team to move on.

Doubs was a punt returner all four years, bringing back 37 for a 12.5 average. The Packers prioritized finding a far more dynamic return man than Rodgers. Cornerback Marcus Jones of Houston was a prime target, but that opportunity vanished when he went seven slots before Rhyan.

4/140. Zach Tom, C, Wake Forest (4, 6): As a fourth-round draft choice, barring injury Tom will make the team. His five-position versatility should keep him in the league for a good spell, but whether he’s good enough to start is the question.

After starting at center in 2019, Tom (6-4, 307, 4.95) made a seamless transition to left tackle the past two years. Some scouts rave about his athletic ability, with one insisting he was the most athletic of all the offensive linemen.

He was compared by one evaluator to Kelvin Beachum (6-3, 303, 5.39), the Steelers’ seventh-round draft choice from Southern Methodist in 2012. Beachum started at left tackle for four years at SMU and, in a career now entering its 11th year, has made 130 starts primarily at left tackle for four different teams.

Besides his athleticism, those that like Tom cite his advanced hand placement and footwork, his understated manner of leadership and his overall flexibility. A few evaluators opined that he could play tackle. Others think he’s a center only.

Tom’s detractors don’t like his strength and think he’s going to get knocked around. They say there’s no way he’s powerful enough to play tackle or guard, and maybe not center. One said Garrett Bradbury, the Vikings’ undersized, disappointing first-round center, was a much better player in the Atlantic Coast Conference (North Carolina State) than was Tom.

How does Tom stack up with Josh Myers (6-5, 310), the Packers’ second-year center? Tom tested better but Myers is the stronger, more tenacious player, according to one scout.

5/179. Kingsley Enagbare, Edge, South Carolina (3, 4): By the time the Packers got around to addressing their lack of depth at outside linebacker with the final selection of the fifth round a total of 19 edge rushers had been picked.

Enagbare’s production in the SEC raises eyebrows. Despite starting just 21 games he registered 15 sacks, four forced fumbles and 24 tackles for loss. Yet, despite cutting weight to 258 to run a good 40 at the combine, he clocked 4.9. When he showed up weighing 271 at pro day, he ran even worse.

How did the slowest prospect among the top 25 edge rushers manage such hefty production against college football’s finest?

Tremendous arm length (34 ¾). Huge hands (10 5/8). Solid athletic ability. Craftiness.

Enagbare is one of those rushers that will swoop in from the outside and occasionally win with an arm stab, a slap of the hands and surprising ability to bend under the tackle. Maybe the speed void will catch up to him in the first week of one-on-one pass rush in pads against NFL tackles. There’s an opening in Green Bay if it doesn’t.

7/228. Tariq Carpenter, LB, Georgia Tech (3, 5): A relative unknown until pro day, he probably got drafted on the strength of a 4.52 40 and a safety-best 11-4 broad jump.

Carpenter (6-3, 230) was announced as a linebacker but Gutekunst typically was noncommittal regarding what his position would be. He started at safety for four seasons but several teams graded him as a linebacker.

As the 22nd linebacker taken, Carpenter has deficiencies. Somewhat straight line in his play, he also tends toward being a slow reactor. He has had wrist surgery three times and one shoulder operation.

Gutekunst described Carpenter as “really, really physical.” Two other personnel people said he was more of a get-‘em-down tackler than a punishing hitter.

7/234. Jonathan Ford, DT, Miami (0, 1): This might have been the most puzzling pick of the Packers’ draft.

Defensive tackle was a thin position this year. Ford (6-5, 341, 5.49) started for three years but made just 60 tackles, including eight for loss. Two personnel directors admitted they had no recollection of him.

Last year, the Packers took another nose man, Florida’s T.J. Slaton (6-4, 330, 5.09), in the fifth round. Maybe they were displeased with his 266 snaps. Or maybe Slaton has let his weight balloon this off-season and took Ford to get his attention.

One scout said Ford, the 24th and last big man to be drafted, wasn’t as quick, active or fast as Slaton. The scout added that Ford played too high and was nothing more than a good free agent.

7/249. Rasheed Walker, T, Penn State (2, 6): He has the cut of a starter, which he was at left tackle from 2019-’21. That plus ideal size (6-5 ½, 324) normally would translate into a second-day selection.

“Reason he fell is he’s got a medical red flag,” said one personnel man. “He’s got a knee that’s not in very good shape. That’s the only reason he fell.”

Walker missed the final three games after playing several games with a torn meniscus and bone bruise in his right knee. At some point he underwent surgery, and thus wasn’t able to work out for teams. With 14 picks left in the draft the Packers rolled the dice and made him the 47th offensive linemen to be selected.

At his best, one scout said Walker looked like an NFL starting left tackle. At his worst, he looked like a candidate for the practice squad.

His arm length is just OK (33 5/8) for tackle. His score of 11 on the Wonderlic was another red flag for the position. One scout described him as “lazy country” and “noncompetitive.”

7/258. Samori Toure, WR, Nebraska (1, 3): The 28th and final wideout selected was Toure (6-1, 191), who spent almost five calendar years with the Montana Grizzlies (and broke some records) before becoming the Cornhuskers’ leading receiver as a grad transfer.

Toure’s ability to succeed at a higher collegiate level bodes well for him in Green Bay. So does his keen intelligence, work habits and all-around high character.

Toure ran 4.47 at pro day but played even faster, according to one scout. Speed, his dominant trait, enabled him to excel as a vertical receiver. The Nebraska system didn’t demand pro-type route running, but with NFL style coaching at the East-West all-star game there were signs he can improve rapidly. He has an assertive personality, one that likely will be most receptive to coaching.

Given his lean frame, one would question his ability to beat press coverage. With NFL offensive coordinators using more and more bunches, stacks and motions to afford wideouts clean releases, brawniness at the position has become less important.

 
Seem's McGinn took a crap over all the picks and did not like anything but for the last pick who likely is not making the team.
 
No, he actually took the damn ggg( off and did an analytical analysis rather than the suger-coated BS the beat writers put out.
I am willing to give the picks a chance seems McGinn only wrote pretty much the negatives on all the picks not the positives. Any teams draft is a crapshoot never know how any of them will turnout.
 
I do agree it seems we overpaid with Watson but if you stayed pat you don't know if you even get Pierce as Indy moved up to get him and could have even then moved ahead of GB to get him and then you are left with nothing at WR for sitting and hoping guys fell.
 
Sorry How I take it McGinn pretty much saying Gute sucked the picks sucked draft is a F.
 
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