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The Green Bay Packers will take on the Philadelphia Eagles at Lambeau Field on Monday Night Football.
  • It is the 33rd straight season (1993-2025) that Green Bay will play on MNF.
  • It is the third MNF game against Philadelphia at Lambeau Field (1996, 2003).
  • This week marks the third time Green Bay will play the defending Super Bowl champion at home in the last four seasons (defeated the Los Angeles Rams in 2022 and Kansas City Chiefs in 2023).
  • The Packers are 18-6 at home against the Eagles, including winning six of the last nine.
  • Green Bay and Philadelphia met in Week 1 in Brazil last season and in the Wild Card Playoff.
  • The Packers lead the all-time regular-season series, 27-17 (.614).
  • Green Bay has averaged 33.2 points per game in the last six regular-season meetings with the Eagles.
  • The last two regular-season games between the two have been decided by seven points or less.
WITH THE CALL
ESPN/ABC will broadcast the game to a national audience. Play-by-play man Joe Buck joins analyst Troy Aikman in the booth with Lisa Salters and Laura Rutledge reporting from the sidelines.
  • All Packers games can be heard on the Packers Radio Network, which is made up of 54 stations in Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois and North and South Dakota. 95.7 BIG F.M. – WRIT-Milwaukee begins its run as the flagship station of the Packers Radio Network. For a map and full listing of radio affiliates, go to packers.com/video/radio-network. Wayne Larrivee (play-by-play), two-time Packers Pro Bowler Larry McCarren (analyst), and three-time Packers Pro Bowler John Kuhn (sideline reporter) call the action. McCarren first joined the team's broadcasts in 1995 and enters his 31st season calling Packers games. After originally being paired together in 1999, McCarren and Larrivee enter their 27th season of broadcasts together. They surpassed Jim Irwin and Max McGee for the most regular-season and postseason games broadcast for the Packers with 313 at the 2018 season opener against Chicago.
  • The broadcast is also available on Sirius Satellite Radio on Channel 81 or 225 or through the app (Packers Radio Network feed).
  • Westwood One will be broadcasting on radio to a national audience with Kevin Harlan (play-by-play) and Ross Tucker (analyst) on the call and Mike Golic and Mike Golic Jr. hosting pregame and halftime shows.


THE DOPE ON THIS WEEK'S OPPONENT:
Packers vs. Eagles:
  • All-time, regular season: 27-17
  • All-time, postseason: 1-3 (0-0 in Green Bay)
  • All-time, regular season at home: 18-6 (8-6 at Lambeau Field)
  • Streaks: Philadelphia has won four of the last five games played (including postseason).
  • Last meeting, regular season: Sept. 6, 2024, Corinthians Arena (São Paulo), Eagles won, 34-29
COACHES CAPSULES

  • Matt LaFleur: 72-35-1, .671; (3-5 postseason); 7th NFL season
  • Nick Sirianni: 54-22, .711; (6-3 postseason); 5th NFL season
  • Head to Head: LaFleur 0-3 vs. Sirianni (including postseason)
  • vs. Opponent: LaFleur 1-4 vs. Eagles; Sirianni 3-0 vs. Packers (including postseason)
MATT LaFLEUR…In his seventh season as the Packers' 15th head coach.
  • Is in his 17th season in the NFL, having previously served as an offensive coordinator for two seasons (Los Angeles Rams, 2017; Tennessee Titans, 2018), a quarterbacks coach for six seasons (Washington Redskins, 2010-13; Atlanta Falcons, 2015-16), and an offensive assistant for two seasons (Houston Texans, 2008-09).
  • In his first six seasons leading the Packers, has authored one of the greatest starts to a head-coaching career in NFL history. Per the Elias Sports Bureau, his 67 wins are the second most in league history by a head coach in his first six seasons in the NFL, trailing only George Seifert (75 in 1989-94). Green Bay's 67-33 regular-season record since 2019 is No. 4 in the NFL and ranks No. 1 in the NFC.
  • Became the first coach in NFL history to post 13-plus wins in three straight seasons and his 39 wins from 2019-21 passed Seifert (38) for the most wins by an NFL head coach in his first three seasons in the league (Elias). His 39 wins are also tied for the second most by a coach over any three-season span in league history, trailing only Andy Reid's 40 wins with the Kansas City Chiefs from 2020-22 and Mike Ditka's 40 wins with the Chicago Bears from 1985-87 (Elias).
  • Led Green Bay to the playoffs last season for the fifth time in six years (tied for No. 3 in the NFL over that span), guiding the two youngest playoff teams in the NFL over the past 45 seasons in 2023 (weighted age of 25.25) and 2024 (25.72).
  • In his first season leading the Packers in 2019, became the first coach in club history to guide the team to the playoffs in his debut season. Also led the largest oneyear win improvement in team history (plus-seven wins).
NICK SIRIANNI…In his fifth season as the Eagles' 21st head coach.
  • Is in his 16th season as an NFL coach, having previously spent time with the Indianapolis Colts as the offensive coordinator (2018-20) and with the San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers as the wide receivers coach (2016-17), the quarterbacks coach (2014-15) and an offensive quality control coach (2013). Also served as the wide receivers coach (2012) and an offensive quality control coach (2009-11) with the Kansas City Chiefs.
  • His 54 career wins are the second-most by a head coach in their first four seasons in NFL history, trailing only George Seifert (57).
  • Became just the second head coach in NFL history to win 14-plus games twice in their first four seasons, joining Seifert (1989, '90, '92).
  • Presided over an Eagles offense that recorded 3,866 rushing yards across the regular season and postseason in 2024, the most ever by a team in a single season, culminating in a victory in Super Bowl LIX.


THE PACKERS-EAGLES SERIES
  • Green Bay won the first nine games played against Philadelphia and 16 of 17 regular-season contests from 1933-70.
  • The Eagles beat the Packers, 17-13, in the 1960 NFL Championship, the first postseason meeting between these teams, handing Hall of Fame head coach Vince Lombardi his only postseason defeat.
  • The Packers defeated the Eagles twice during the 2010 season on their way to winning Super Bowl XLV. Green Bay defeated Philadelphia, 27-20, in the season opener and again, 21-16, in the NFC Wild Card.
  • These two franchises met in the first-ever NFL game played in Brazil on Sept. 6, 2024, which Philadelphia won by a score of 34-29.
CONNECTIONS
Packers players and staff from Pennsylvania: DL Micah Parsons is from Harrisburg, Pa., where he attended Harrisburg High School…K Brandon McManus was born in Philadelphia and attended North Penn High School in Lansdale, Pa. …Packers players and staff who played college football in Pennsylvania: Parsons (2018-20) and T Rasheed Walker (2018-21) played at Penn State…McManus played at Temple from 2009-12…Packers coaches and staff with connections to Pennsylvania: Assistant head coach/special teams coordinator Rich Bisaccia signed with the Philadelphia Stars (USFL) as a free agent in 1983…Eagles with connections to Wisconsin: LB Zack Baun was born in Milwaukee, attended Brown Deer (Wis.) High School and played at Wisconsin from 2015-19…Assistant general manager Alec Halaby is from Madison, Wis., where he attended Madison Memorial High School…Defensive assistant Tyler Yelk is from Arlington, Wis., and attended Poynette (Wis.) High School…Former Eagles: T/G Darian Kinnard played for the Eagles in 2024 and spent a portion of training camp with the team in 2025…Former Packers: RB A.J. Dillon played for the Packers from 2020-24…CB Jaire Alexander played for the Packers from 2018-24... Passing game coordinator/DBs coach Christian Parker was a defensive quality control coach for the Packers from 2019-20…Vice president of player personnel Charles Walls worked in the Packers' personnel department from 2013-20...Eagles CBs coach Roy Anderson was a Bill Walsh coaching intern with the Packers in 2019...Notable NFL connections: Packers head coach Matt LaFleur was the Tennessee Titans' offensive coordinator when Eagles CB Adoree' Jackson played there in 2018…Eagles head of football development and strategy Connor Barwin played for the Texans in 2009 and the Rams in 2017 when LaFleur was on the coaching staff of those teams...LaFleur overlapped with Eagles vice president of football operations Jeff Scott for two seasons (2012-13) when LaFleur was on the Washington Redskins' coaching staff...Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni was an offensive quality control coach with the San Diego Chargers in 2013 when Packers assistant special teams coach Byron Storer was on the coaching staff… Bisaccia and Storer coached with Eagles TEs coach Jason Michael with the Chargers...Packers S Xavier McKinney was teammates with Eagles RB Saquon Barkley, OLB Azeez Ojulari and Jackson with the N.Y. Giants…Packers offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich, defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley and assistant defensive line coach Vince Oghobaase crossed paths with Eagles special teams coordinator Michael Clay with the San Francisco 49ers… Hafley and Oghobaase also overlapped with Anderson with the 49ers in 2016…Eagles defensive coordinator Vic Fangio and safeties coach Joe Kasper were on the Miami Dolphins' coaching staff when Packers RB Chris Brooks played there in 2023…Fangio was the Chicago Bears' defensive coordinator when Packers TEs coach John Dunn was on the coaching staff from 2016-17… Dunn overlapped with Eagles senior defensive assistant/ DL coach Clint Hurtt and Anderson with the Bears… Packers LS Matt Orzech was teammates with Eagles WR A.J. Brown with the Titans in 2020…Eagles OLB Joshua Uche played for the New England Patriots from 2020-24, where he crossed paths with Packers DL coach/run game coordinator DeMarcus Covington and defensive quality control coach Jamael Lett…Packers G Aaron Banks was teammates with Eagles OL Matt Pryor and TE Cameron Latu with the 49ers…Pryor and Latu also crossed paths with Packers strength and conditioning coordinator Aaron Hill during their time with the 49ers…Eagles RBs coach/assistant head coach Jemal Singleton overlapped with Bisaccia, Storer and Packers passing game coordinator Derrick Ansley with the Las Vegas Raiders in 2018… Packers RB Josh Jacobs and CB Nate Hobbs were teammates with Eagles S Marcus Epps and DT Byron Young with the Raiders…Notable college connections: LaFleur was the QBs coach at Notre Dame in 2014 when Eagles offensive quality control coach Montgomery VanGorder played quarterback there…Hafley was Eagles C/G Drew Kendall's head coach for three seasons (2021-23) at Boston College…Parsons was teammates with Eagles WR Jahan Dotson at Penn State for two seasons (2018-19)… Walker and Dotson played together at Penn State from 2018-20...Eagles QBs coach Scott Loeffler was Packers DL Karl Brooks' head coach at Bowling Green for four seasons (2019-22)…Packers DL Lukas Van Ness and Eagles DB Cooper DeJean played together at Iowa from 2021-22…Stenavich played at Michigan when Loeffler was the QBs coach for four seasons (2002-05)…Packers DL Rashan Gary and Uche were teammates at Michigan from 2016-18…Packers DL Devonte Wyatt, LB Quay Walker, S Javon Bullard, TE John FitzPatrick, DL Nazir Stackhouse and DL Warren Brinson were teammates with Eagles DT Jalen Carter, DT Jordan Davis, LB Nakobe Dean, LB Smael Mondon Jr. and CB Kelee Ringo at Georgia…Jacobs and McKinney were teammates with Eagles QB Jalen Hurts, WR DeVonta Smith, G Landon Dickerson, Young and Latu at Alabama…Packers RBs coach Ben Sirmans and Eagles run game coordinator/ DL coach Jeff Stoutland were on the coaching staff at Michigan State from 2005-06…Packers senior assistant Luke Getsy and Eagles defensive quality control coach Tyler Scudder were on the coaching staff at Indiana University of Pennsylvania from 2011-12 and at Western Michigan in 2013…Packers WR Matthew Golden and DL Barryn Sorrell were teammates with Eagles S Andrew Mukuba at Texas in 2024…Sorrell and Eagles DT Moro Ojomo played together at Texas from 2021-22…Packers LB Isaiah McDuffie and Dillon were teammates at Boston College for three seasons (2017-19)…Hobbs and Eagles S Sydney Brown were teammates at Illinois from 2018-20...Packers OL coach Luke Butkus played at Illinois with Eagles WRs coach Aaron Moorehead from 1999-01... Packers assistant OL coach Eddie Gordon and Eagles assistant to the head coach Cole Peterson were both at UAB in 2023...Gordon was on the coaching staff at UAB when Eagles CB Mac McWilliams played there in 2023... Other notable connections: WR Christian Watson's father, Tim, played for the Eagles in 1997.
 
Cold and possible snow for the game. Philly is going to Tush Push the crap out of GB if it's 2 yards or less they will Tush Push every time. With Barkley running I think good chance they will be getting into short yardage a lot. I am not having high hopes for this game at all.
 
Wise guy money coming in now on Philly, line moved from GB -2.5 to -1.5.

Fangio plays a lot of cover 2. It's a defense that's been around forever and it's no mystery how you beat it. Have to hit hole shots and seam shots. In theory this is a game you'd want to feature a move TE like Musgrave anyway. You're not going to get a ton of YAC on WR screens and the like, and if ML sticks with that it'll be a long night. Ideally you also have a strong running game but after 8 games I just don't see it happening, it's just magical thinking at this point. Put the game on Love's shoulders and let's see what he can do with it.
 
rpiotr01 said:
Wise guy money coming in now on Philly, line moved from GB -2.5 to -1.5.

Fangio plays a lot of cover 2. It's a defense that's been around forever and it's no mystery how you beat it. Have to hit hole shots and seam shots. In theory this is a game you'd want to feature a move TE like Musgrave anyway. You're not going to get a ton of YAC on WR screens and the like, and if ML sticks with that it'll be a long night. Ideally you also have a strong running game but after 8 games I just don't see it happening, it's just magical thinking at this point. Put the game on Love's shoulders and let's see what he can do with it.
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As long as Love isn’t running for his life then he should be able to handle it.
 
rpiotr01 said:
Wise guy money coming in now on Philly, line moved from GB -2.5 to -1.5.

Fangio plays a lot of cover 2. It's a defense that's been around forever and it's no mystery how you beat it. Have to hit hole shots and seam shots. In theory this is a game you'd want to feature a move TE like Musgrave anyway. You're not going to get a ton of YAC on WR screens and the like, and if ML sticks with that it'll be a long night. Ideally you also have a strong running game but after 8 games I just don't see it happening, it's just magical thinking at this point. Put the game on Love's shoulders and let's see what he can do with it.
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Um not really.... Here is a very detailed breakdown of his coverage scheme... Cch


Over the past two years, you’ll have heard the term ‘Fangio Defense’ thrown around ad hoc, often as a stand-in for the concept of ‘two-high safety shells’. But what exactly, is the Fangio scheme? What are the general principles and what are the nuts and bolts
In the NFL, the majority of snaps come from the hashes. As the hashes are not as wide as they are at lower levels, the ground to cover on each side is comparable. Thus, defenses can more confidently use halves coverages to sides without the same concern college teams may have about a player covering a ton of ground from the hash to the sideline. Instead of setting the defense to the wide or short side of the field, the Fangio Defense sets its secondary based on the passing strength. Simply put, the passing strength is the side with “more” or “better” receiving threats.



Though the Fangio Defense uses different matching rules and variations within coverage that combine man and zone coverages, a basic understanding of field zones is important as we start to dig into pass coverage. The general zone assignment can turn into a man assignment based on the formation or if certain players cross certain zones. Further, certain offensive looks can give a defender freedom to support another player’s responsibility.

When discussing coverages, it is important to note that responsibilities and nuances can change by gameplan. Plus, the terms used are a combination of the verbiage the Fangio tree has used (and continues to use) and other terms that help to simplify the larger picture.

Zone Coverages​

Cover 4 (Trix)



Cover 4 is a basic four deep, three under coverage. It is used in its purest form in the red zone. Offenses like to conflict the quarters flat defender or try to occupy a safety while taking advantage of the cornerback’s outside and deep responsibility. Offenses can try to make the linebackers’ lives hard by running routes above and below their zone. Also, an offense may be able to run the defense out of two-high or be happy with forcing a safety to make the tackle after a run has already gained yards from heavier personnel. Defenses that are forced to bring a safety down into the box before the snap open up other potential play action or matchup issues. Cover 4 is the base for putting a ceiling over the offense’s pass game and is pretty to watch when communication and execution is maximized.


Cover 4 also has an adjustment against 3x1 sets. A Trix call allows the back side safety to read the releases of 3 and 2 to the trips side to see if there are any vertical or deep crossing routes. This would allow the defense to play 3 on 3 against 4 verts and help the defense deal with teams that want to get their fastest receiver matched up on a linebacker. A Trix call would also require the linebacker to play man on the running back, while a cornerback is locked in man on the back side receiver. If the safety does not get a vertical threat, they could zone their quarter or hang in the window to rob a route breaking inside from the back side X receiver.


Cover 6 (Quarter, Quarter, Half)
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In the Fangio Defense, Cover 6 and Cover 8 are closely related. The differentiation in the two comes from what is played to the passing strength or to the call. Both are played with a Quarters side and a Halves side. Cover 6 plays Quarters to the passing strength, while Cover 8 plays Halves to the passing strength. One might group these two as one coverage, but the goals, responsibilities, and strengths of the coverages are different and thus should be separated.
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Quarter, Quarter, Half (what I will call Cover 6) plays Quarters to the passing strength and a Halves side away from it. The Halves side away from the passing strength is particularly helpful when the offense has a star receiver that the defense wants to cloud. Getting a press from a cornerback can help disrupt timing, and having safety help over the top encourages the offense to look elsewhere. This is of course an allocation of resources that may open up matchups elsewhere.
Cover 8 (Half, Quarter, Quarter, Trix) (Penny Sam 8)



Cover 8 (Half, Quarter, Quarter, Half to the passing strength) is a coverage that is becoming more popular across the league. It is a common coverage against 3x1 sets – and for good reason.

Cover 8 puts a cloud corner over number one while the nickel defensive back and linebacker will play zone match rules. A safety will play deep half, and a trix safety will likely be in play. This lets the defense get five defenders over three receivers and is a key to how Brandon Staley likes to play coverage – lock the back side in man and flood the frontside in zone. Cover 8 is also commonly run from the Penny front. Cover 8 allows the cornerback to play aggressively in the shallow to the intermediate area while pushing the numbers in the defense’s favor. As always, one-on-ones on the back side can undo this coverage.


Cover 9



Cover 9 is a weak rotated Cover 3. One example of the defense having flexibility and multiple ways to play against the offense is an adjustment that the Fangio Defense uses similar to Nick Saban’s “Site”. Against a 3x1 set with the running back set away from the trips, the down safety would be rotating to the running back. Remember from some of our other coverages that the linebacker to the running back’s side may end up taking the running back man to man.

Variations of Cover 3 against 3x1 sets face a core problem against 4 verticals. The biggest concern is known, in coaching parlance, as: “three up is three. Meaning: The weak hook player, who may be a linebacker not suited for the job, ends up having to chase a speedy receiver down the field. The weak hook player ends up responsible for this in coverages that exclude one of the safeties. The Fangio Defense has a different way of dealing with this.



In Cover 9, there are a few ways to take care of the running back and the third receiver. One way is to have the safety take the running back while the linebacker plays their usual three up is three responsibility. Another option would be to either flip it, or more interestingly to read it or game plan it based on the running back’s release and personnel. Site does just that. If a running back is less likely to go out for a pass or checks protection at the line, the linebacker can take the running back while the down safety becomes the three up player. This situation is more indicative of a deeper pass as the six blockers in protection give the offense a chance to develop routes. If the running back is either a significant passing game threat or is out to the flat fast, the safety could take the running back while the linebacker goes to their usual three up responsibility. This situation places the offense in empty pass protection and is more likely to be a quicker pass.


The flexibility of Site allows a defense to leverage what an offense does as well as have the same presentation play out different ways. This adjustability is a way for modern defenses to fight back against offenses. Giving the same look that leads to different coverages is made possible by the two high structure and versatility of the secondary. Sure, there are tells such as alignment of the linebackers that leave space for a likely down safety, or cornerbacks pressed that indicate a likely cloud side, but Fangio’s defensive backs learn to become experts in waiting on when to show their intentions. Even if the coverage is not disguised, the different calls can make a defense less predictable and give the pass rush that extra tick to get to the quarterback.
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here's the part i kinda understood: "Over the past two years, you’ll have heard the term ‘Fangio Defense’ thrown around ad hoc, often as a stand-in for the concept of ‘two-high safety shells’. "
 
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