Post Game: Packers Defeat Bears 28-21

I am going to piss EVERYONE off , but guess what, I own the place, so it's okay....listen close and think long and hard before hitting reply:

There is literally holding on EVERY play in football at EVERY level. If they called, it EVERYTIME. The game couldn't be played.

Psst Psst..... The Packers OL holds..... A lot!

Bottom line... You guys are a bit over the top with it. I heard this same song and dance about Reggie, outstanding pass rushers get held, the refs don't see it. That's the way it is.
 
GBP4EVER said:
What is a rip move in the NFL?


A rip move is a pass-rush technique where the rusher will rip through the protection by going low and swinging through in almost an uppercut motion. Houston tried to do that on the play, and NFL rules allow offensive linemen to counter rip moves with blocks that would normally be called holding
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appreciate the definition. but i really hate definitions that just use the same word that is being defined. "a rip move is where the defender rips". lol. i'm guessing that it doesn't involve any actual ripping or tearing. the rest of the definition is enough for me to understand what it is (i think). but it's the kind of definition that is pretty vague and open to interpretation. "going low" (how low is low?) and "almost an uppercut motion" (how much is "almost"?). it sounds like one of those rules that two different refs might rule the exact same play two different ways.
 
realitybytes said:
appreciate the definition. but i really hate definitions that just use the same word that is being defined. "a rip move is where the defender rips". lol. i'm guessing that it doesn't involve any actual ripping or tearing. the rest of the definition is enough for me to understand what it is (i think). but it's the kind of definition that is pretty vague and open to interpretation. "going low" (how low is low?) and "almost an uppercut motion" (how much is "almost"?). it sounds like one of those rules that two different refs might rule the exact same play two different ways.
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watch the video in the link I posted in my comment will show you how the rip move is done and how the arm of the OL goes across the throat of the pass rusher to hold them a lot
 
Mark87 said:
I am going to piss EVERYONE off , but guess what, I own the place, so it's okay....listen close and think long and hard before hitting reply:

There is literally holding on EVERY play in football at EVERY level. If they called, it EVERYTIME. The game couldn't be played.

Psst Psst..... The Packers OL holds..... A lot!

Bottom line... You guys are a bit over the top with it. I heard this same song and dance about Reggie, outstanding pass rushers get held, the refs don't see it. That's the way it is.
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it doesn't piss me off at all. in fact, i think i have said that there is holding on virtually every play. i think there's garden variety holding and then there's flagrant holding. it seems to me that flagrant holding should always be called - regardless of whether it is reggie or lvn that's being held. that's just my opinion and i own it. but i'm not pissed off, and certainly not pissed off at you, mark.
 
realitybytes said:
it doesn't piss me off at all. in fact, i think i have said that there is holding on virtually every play. i think there's garden variety holding and then there's flagrant holding. it seems to me that flagrant holding should always be called - regardless of whether it is reggie or lvn that's being held. that's just my opinion and i own it. but i'm not pissed off, and certainly not pissed off at you, mark.
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I would agree with this - and some teams know how to ride the edge between the "garden variety" and the "flagrant" holding - hell, Bill B and the Patriots made a living off of riding the edge for many years in the playoffs. It seems though that the officials are very inconsistent and will sometimes throw a flag for the "garden variety" in a crucial time of the game and negate a big play, even though they have been letting it go all game. I think that's what the fans want - consistent flags and call the obvious flagrant ones.
 
HowardK4 said:
It seems though that the officials are very inconsistent and will sometimes throw a flag for the "garden variety" in a crucial time of the game and negate a big play, even though they have been letting it go all game. I think that's what the fans want - consistent flags and call the obvious flagrant ones.
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exactly! be consistent!
 
realitybytes said:
i had to pick someone who was unlikely to be aggressively held, and since lvn and i share the same birthday, it might as well be him. hof(
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Because he's a Packer, I want him to do well. Currently, I'm desperate for him to do well.

But, I hated that pick where and when we did it. What has he done? I know Parsons talked him up early, but I think that was more trying to inspire him to do something.

When I hear he's going to play or playing, I get as excited as opening a fridge with only Lite beer in it.

Go Pack Go!
 
Keg Man said:
I hated that pick where and when we did it.
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it was another one of gute's draft failures. i would have been okay drafting him later in the draft, but trading up in the first round to pick lvn? yes, he used the highest pick we got for rodgers to select a guy who - like you said - has done virtually nothing of note since the packers drafted him. in the same year, the detroit lions drafted three pro bowlers with their first four picks, and the 4th one is no slouch. we really need a new gm.
 
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