Packers 2024-25 Season Thread

rpiotr01 said:
The city is the landlord here. GB is a tenant who has made improvements to a property on their own dime and the city seems to be trying to squeeze them for more cash on a lease. I’m naturally inclined to take their side in this situation.
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If you make renovations to your home, that adds value - your taxes go up. Granted, the Packers don't pay taxes "per se" but they do pay a lease that should cover taxes and more. Also . . . . as the Packers on-site revenues go up, wouldn't it make sense for the lease to go up as well? I don't know how much they pay annually to the city . . but look at how much revenues have risen over the past 20 years.

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They will work it out eventually. Team wants to pay as little as possible to the city as is the goal of most big businesses. City wants them to pay as much as possible as is the goal of most cities.

GB and Packers are no different than any other NFL team.
 
Cheesedog said:
They will work it out eventually. Team wants to pay as little as possible to the city as is the goal of most big businesses. City wants them to pay as much as possible as is the goal of most cities.

GB and Packers are no different than any other NFL team.
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very different in structure...no other team and organzation in the NFL.
 
Cheesedog said:
You’re assuming the Packers are innocent here. Who says it isn’t the Packers being overly greedy and they’re just trying to control the narrative?
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they pump millions into the city's economy.... if this Mayor and or city council threaten that they won't be in office long.
 
GBP4EVER said:
If GB is going to take over maintenance and improvement cost without asking for public money I have zero interest with rent payment freeze.
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i think you misunderstood what rp said: "the Packers desire to freeze rent payments in exchange for taking over all maintenance and improvements starting in about 2030". in other words, the city currently is responsible for at least some of the maintenance and improvement cost, but the team would take over that expense starting in 2030 in exchange for a freeze in rent payments.

to me that seems perfectly fair, since the packers have been paying for almost all of the improvements for a while now. currently, they essentially have a land lease because the stadium cost has already been paid for and the city isn't paying a dime for it. in a land lease situation, it is not at all unheard of for payments to remain the same throughout the lease term. not to mention, the team already pays millions for the community's benefit.
 
A point to consider. On game days, and when there are other activities surrounding the Packers, the city of Green Bay is required to furnish security at the facilities. On game day alone, upward of 100 police officers are on duty just at the stadium, along with an endless number of emergency medical personnel, ambulance, and at least one fire truck and crews. That does not include the additional personnel in the outreaching area, which nearly doubles that amount.

This is all in addition to the normal operations that all these services have at that given time. Since the majority of these people are working on overtime, the cost is enormous. It's also a cost absorbed by the city, as part of their lease agreement.

In addition to this, the city has had the sole responsibility for all maintenance that deals with the structure, or anything associated with the field itself. The only area of concern the Packers have had was the field itself. Even the underground heating system is the city's responsibility.

The State Legislature not only exempted them from property taxes for all the land they own, and will own, and their developments, but they also waived the 5% state tax they'd owe for income, because they are considered a non-profit organization.

The maintenance that the Packers say they will take over in 2030 does not include anything dealing with the integrity of the facility itself. It's more along the line of cosmetic maintenance and improvements.

According to information available, the Packers bring roughly $15 million dollars of business into the "region" on game days. Roughly half of that amount actually flows into Green Bay proper, and of that figure left, the Packer organization claims over half of the business through their various surrounding enterprises, and that percentage is going to grow as their brand grows around the stadium. That means the total business generated in GB, for the good of the city, is near $4 million dollars, but it is only generated into service industries, nothing appreciable for the average Green Bay businesses.

Sometimes dollar figures don't really tell the whole story. The windfall profits are good for people selling paraphernalia, renting hotel rooms, and restaurants and bars close to the stadium, but to the guy who owns a bar across town, or the people who own a candy store across town, none of it means anything.

Don't let service industry incomes fool you, because the majority of that money that's profits doesn't even stay in Green Bay. The majority goes to corporations that only own the businesses, and send the money to their home offices, far from Green Bay.
 
Both sides are trying to flex. It will likely end up both sides meet in the middle. Maybe the city pledges to pay so much towards maintance and the team agrees to pay so much more on rent each year.
 
If you are not down with Tucker Kraft you are not a Packers fan.

 
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