Post Game: Baltimore runs over GB

rpiotr01 said:
Is that a WR single blocking Gary? Seems like above everything else it's his job to set the edge and not get pinned inside like that. Then Cooper gets lost, no angle. Geez.
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Yes, the DE did that all night. LVN looked like a HS kid playing his first game, gave up contain all night. Very ugly tape on that front last night.
 
I still can't get over GB getting the ball back down 27-24, driving down the field for the lead or tie, Willis throws one pass and his pain reliever shot wears off and has to drop out of the game. Two Tune plays later its an INT and the route begins.
 
rpiotr01 said:
Where does the buck stop on the roster? I'm not a Gute hater, not at all. I think he nailed the Jordan Love pick and that alone should have been enough to carry him to job security in GB as long as he wanted it. I would still do the Parsons trade 100 times out of 100, because the reality is you don't know when in a window you will be that one great player away, even if you aren't right now. It's not a thing you can predict and have it line up perfectly.

Ultimately someone is responsible for the roster building philosophy. I don't even want to hone in on this player or that, this pick or that. Just look at the philosophy. The type of OL - look at them all and then sum them up, generalize. Does this work? Has this worked over X number of years? The type of corners - look at them all and generalize again. Has this worked out? The DE/DT group - sum it up into a type, and ask has it worked out? Is it working now?

I guess what I'm getting at is, I tend to bristle when people say "well this guy hasn't worked so fire everyone" because every GM and scouting group will have misses. Over time though you start to see that the misses happen not just because they're random but because a philosophy drives the selection. The thing about philosophies is, you can't really change them in a person, it's just how they see their professional world.

It's all feeling very much like the mid-teens Packers. Everyone knew TT wasn't cutting it any more but organizational malaise and sloth prevented them from holding him accountable for failures. They can't let the same thing happen in the Jordan Love era with the Gutekunst group. There's a danger in moving on from him but it's at the point where there's simply no upside to keeping him and his circle around, you're just going to get more of the same.
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....well done rp
 
rpiotr01 said:
I guess what I'm getting at is, I tend to bristle when people say "well this guy hasn't worked so fire everyone" because every GM and scouting group will have misses. Over time though you start to see that the misses happen not just because they're random but because a philosophy drives the selection. The thing about philosophies is, you can't really change them in a person, it's just how they see their professional world.

It's all feeling very much like the mid-teens Packers. Everyone knew TT wasn't cutting it any more but organizational malaise and sloth prevented them from holding him accountable for failures. They can't let the same thing happen in the Jordan Love era with the Gutekunst group. There's a danger in moving on from him but it's at the point where there's simply no upside to keeping him and his circle around, you're just going to get more of the same.
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This....right on point. I know it's not normal protocol but what new GM wouldn't want ML leading the team? The dude just wins. Get a new GM and personnel team in here and let ML cook. See what happens with what they can do.
 
Budman said:
This....right on point. I know it's not normal protocol but what new GM wouldn't want ML leading the team? The dude just wins. Get a new GM and personnel team in here and let ML cook. See what happens with what they can do.
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Bud issue is almost all GM's want to pick there own guy. First time GM yeah you can force a coach on them they don't get to pick. But if you are hiring a vet GM they could say if I don't get to pick my coach or have say in roster why do I want this job.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Bud issue is almost all GM's want to pick there own guy. First time GM yeah you can force a coach on them they don't get to pick. But if you are hiring a vet GM they could say if I don't get to pick my coach or have say in roster why do I want this job.
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That's not really true anymore. If both GM and HC report to the team Pres then you can do one without the other. It's not the Bob Harlan days anymore.

As to your last question, the hard part for a GM is getting the QB and the HC. You'd have both in GB, your goal is to build up the roster around them and get them over the top.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Bud issue is almost all GM's want to pick there own guy. First time GM yeah you can force a coach on them they don't get to pick. But if you are hiring a vet GM they could say if I don't get to pick my coach or have say in roster why do I want this job.
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I get that. That's the old school way of thinking. I'm saying that what GM wouldn't want ML? The dude wins. Why not come in, do up the roster the way they want and see the results? It would be professional malfeasance to just discard ML because he wasn't your man.
 
We have a player talent issue, not coaching. Not having a Pro Bowl player since 2019 (Gary, to boot) is a very telling stat. In fact, with our (lack of) talent in key positions and injuries I’d argue coaching has done a fairly admirable job.

But we can’t continue like this. Gute and his scouting staff need to go. Or we’ll continue to get more of the same year after year. And that’s the definition of insanity.
 
Issue is I think Policy will say well look GB had a lot of injuries but we still made the playoffs giving Gute and LaFleur deals. Only way you probably get rid of one of them is if there is conflict between the two and have to pick one or the other.
 
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