Post Game Bears Beat GB 31-27

You can parse this any way you want, or grind whatever axe is closest at hand.

Special teams is the easiest call, and no one is going to shed tears for Bisaccia or McManus getting shown the door. But they say success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. That can’t be allowed to pass anymore. Every level of this organization had its fingerprints all over this thing.

Both lines were bad, and they’ve been a problem all year, and they were unacceptably shallow all year. And the entire world knew CB was a glaring weakness. Wouldn’t you know it, those things still hurt the Packers last night. That’s on Gutekunst.

Hafley sounds great at the mic, but his defense just gave up a historic comeback to a QB that routinely can’t hit the broadside of a barn and for whom they had no answers. Nothing he dialed up worked late and while you can say the third quarter offense did his group no favors, I’m not going to defend 25 late points given up when the offense didn’t turn the ball over. That doesn’t fly.

And the offense. The magic is gone on the o-line. Steno and Butkus are out of leash. They made their bones on getting maximum production out of some B-grade investment there, but they’re running on reputation and it hasn’t been reality for a while. That second half screamed for ball control and churning some ground yards and they got stuffed in a locker by a Bears front that doesn’t intimidate anyone.

But when the chips are down, and everything else is falling down around their ears, the one thing that has to be a constant in Green Bay is the QB and playcaller. At the very least, they have to know how to move the sticks, play situationally sound football, and bleed out a trailing opponent, especially an inferior one (though at this rate, it’ll be nearly impossible to say the Bears should be dogs in next year’s matchups). LaFleur and Love have accomplished much that can be praised, and they were always going to look diminished after Rodgers left. But even accounting for that, they choked again in the second half of a playoff game. They come up small in the biggest moments.

But the point is, the whole team comes up small. Running it back is unthinkable, but once you start firing one person, I can’t fathom how you’d defend any of the others when it’s been this bad. The whole team needs a new identity. I can’t see any other way forward.
 
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You can parse this any way you want, or grind whatever axe is closest at hand.

Special teams is the easiest call, and no one is going to shed tears for Bisaccia or McManus getting shown the door. But they say success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. That can’t be allowed to pass anymore. Every level of this organization had its fingerprints all over this thing.

Both lines were bad, and they’ve been a problem all year, and they were unacceptably shallow all year. And the entire world knew CB was a glaring weakness. Wouldn’t you know it, those things still hurt the Packers tonight. That’s on Gutekunst.

Hafley sounds great at the mic, but his defense just gave up a historic comeback to a QB that routinely can’t hit the broadside of a barn and for whom they had no answers. Nothing he dialed up worked late and while you can say the third quarter offense did his group no favors, I’m not going to defend 25 late points given up when the offense didn’t turn the ball over. That doesn’t fly.

And the offense. The magic is gone on the o-line. Steno and Butkus are out of leash. They made their bones on getting maximum production out of some B-grade investment there, but they’re running on reputation and it hasn’t been reality for a while. That second half screamed for ball control and churning some ground yards and they got stuffed in a locker by a Bears front that doesn’t intimidate anyone.

But when the chips are down, and everything else is falling down around their ears, the one thing that has to be a constant in Green Bay is the QB and playcaller. At the very least, they have to know how to move the sticks, play situationally sound football, and bleed out a trailing opponent, especially an inferior one (though at this rate, it’ll be nearly impossible to say the Bears should be dogs in next year’s matchups). LaFleur and Love have accomplished much that can be praised, and they were always going to look diminished after Rodgers left. But even accounting for that, they choked again in the second half of a playoff game. They come up small in the biggest moments.

But the point is, the whole team comes up small. Running it back is unthinkable, but once you start firing one person, I can’t fathom how you’d defend any of the others when it’s been this bad. The whole team needs a new identity. I can’t see any other way forward.
Since Gutekunst has shown a lack of either the ability or concern or both regarding addressing any of those positional failures for the last several seasons, you start with him. If he stays, then making an HC change wouldn't change anything in my opinion. Do I think either happens? No, because MM stayed 5 years too long, and at the end of the day, the same bunch is running this franchise, albeit their former Lieutenants at the helm.
 
Clearly, the Packers don’t have as much talent as people would believe. They have nobody at RB, CB, K. Outside of Parsons they have no pass rushers. Look at the roster and ask yourself honestly, what position group in Green Bay is better than most teams?

How did that manifest itself in the game? They couldn’t run the ball with Jacobs, making them one-dimensional. Johnson had no respect for the defense at all and never punted once on 4th down.

If you want to criticize LaFleur because he’s the HC and ultimately bears responsibility for losses and the inability to get special teams right. Fine. But firing him because expectations were that a fringe 7 seed (4-2 in their division, 5-5-1 against everyone else) would do better in the playoffs is a knee-jerk reaction.
 
Since Gutekunst has shown a lack of either the ability or concern or both regarding addressing any of those positional failures for the last several seasons, you start with him. If he stays, then making an HC change wouldn't change anything in my opinion. Do I think either happens? No, because MM stayed 5 years too long, and at the end of the day, the same bunch is running this franchise, albeit their former Lieutenants at the helm.
That their defense without Parsons was amongst the worst in the league makes it indisputable the talent on that side of the ball isn’t very good. If you want to go metrics, their defense already has negative expected points in 7 of 13 games WITH Parsons and in every single game without him. They gave up nearly 400 yards in the last five games of the year.

They should take a good look in the mirror; they were a 7 seed who got in the playoffs in a watered-down conference, then got bounced after being shredded for 450 yards and 31 points. What do timeouts & game management have to do with that (I’m sure they would’ve liked to eat the clock in the 2nd have, but having a washed up veteran and 2 UFDAs at RB, and a mediocre OL didn’t allow them to do that— not play calling)?
 
I frequent another forum that has a Fire La Fleur thread. I don't agree with that. But I do think that they need to shake things up. I would be in favor of letting Stenavich go. I honestly don't know what he contributes. I think ML needs some creative juices there and maybe someone who will get in his ear when his play calling gets redundant.
 
I am disappointed, but there is still too much emotion involved by everyone to make rational decisions. I think by Tuesday we know one way or another and I would tend to agree the Packers don't do much this time.
My best guess is they let Gute and Matt play out the final year of their deal. It's a sink or swim season.
 
Cross buck wrote: Brian Gutekunst has drafted 1 All-Pro in 8 years.-Ron Wolf drafted 4 All-Pros in eight years.-Ted Thompson drafted 10 All-Pros in 13 years, including 5 in his first 8 years.-Heck, Mike Sherman drafted 2 All-Pros in 5 years.Teams win championships with great players.

What I’m seeing is a trend, the same issues game after game, year after year. The inability to finish. Until we fix the drafting weakness (i.e., acquisition of player talent and resilience issues) we’ll continue to get more of the same.

So at this point, I firmly believe keeping Gute is the definition of insanity.

Coaching and scheming seems acceptable with the level of player talent available and given.
 
I am disappointed, but there is still too much emotion involved by everyone to make rational decisions. I think by Tuesday we know one way or another and I would tend to agree the Packers don't do much this time.
My best guess is they let Gute and Matt play out the final year of their deal. It's a sink or swim season.
Yep, if Gute or ML would not be fired by sometime midweek next week it's not going to happen at all.
 
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