College To Pro Misconceptions

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Good morning,

Apparently, my comments on this are being misconstrued and that's not the case. Very quickly and simply, just because Player A or B regardless of position or team drafted was a terror in college does NOT mean that will automatically transfer to the NFL.


If Joe WR played in the SEC, He faced 3-4 players defensively that had X speed, could tackle great etc, now EVERY week they'll be 9-10 players on the field all the time that match those skills. So you're looking for players not with all those physical traits but it's up to your scouts and personal staff to find the guys with the intangibles that sets them apart.

Also, do NOT underestimate the lack of skills from players who have never ever played in anything but a spread offense or defended the same... it's a big factor regardless of your wanting to believe it. Have seen that firsthand and heard many many coaches speak on the subject.

Now let's just cut the bullcrap here, What has Brian G shown you the past 3 seasons as far as finding those guys that get anyone's dander up? I realize that for some it's a killjoy but that's the cold water over the head reality. That's it..my only point.
 
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What has Brian G shown you the past 3 seasons as far as finding those guys that get anyone's dander up? I realize that for some it's a killjoy but that's the cold water over the head reality. That's it..my only point.
and that's a great point. gute has not proven that he can find talent in the draft.
 

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Good morning,

Apparently, my comments on this are being misconstrued and that's not the case. Very quickly and simply, just because Player A or B regardless of position or team drafted was a terror in college does NOT mean that will automatically transfer to the NFL.


If Joe WR played in the SEC, He faced 3-4 players defensively that had X speed, could tackle great etc, now EVERY week they'll be 9-10 players on the field all the time that match those skills. So you're looking for players not with all those physical traits but it's up to your scouts and personal staff to find the guys with the intangibles that sets them apart.

Also, do NOT underestimate the lack of skills from players who have never ever played in anything but a spread offense or defended the same... it's a big factor regardless of your wanting to believe it. Have seen that firsthand and heard many many coaches speak on the subject.

Now let's just cut the bullcrap here, What has Brian G shown you the past 3 seasons as far as finding those guys that get anyone's dander up? I realize that for some it's a killjoy but that's the cold water over the head reality. That's it..my only point.
Good post.....and this also translates to the defensive side also. So many kids are played out of position at the college level to defend the spread. Kids who should be LB are moved to DE, kids that should be safety's are now LB's.
 

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Good post.....and this also translates to the defensive side also. So many kids are played out of position at the college level to defend the spread. Kids who should be LB are moved to DE, kids that should be safety's are now LB's.
And if you were TT if you were a DE you became a LB
 

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If Joe WR played in the SEC, He faced 3-4 players defensively that had X speed, could tackle great etc, now EVERY week they'll be 9-10 players on the field all the time that match those skills. So you're looking for players not with all those physical traits but it's up to your scouts and personal staff to find the guys with the intangibles that sets them apart.

Gute's staff seems to agree with the first part, but where you look for intangibles, they seem to look for athletic traits. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. On the one hand, you look at Rashan Gary - overdrafted at 12 and a major ding was his lack of college production, but he's producing better as a pro than he did in college and he's arguably still not used to his best potential as a pro. They got some part of that projection right. On the other hand, we are on the precipice of GB cutting bait on a recent 2nd rounder and two 3rd rounders, all busts (Josh Jackson, Jake Sternberger, Oren Burks). Those misses are massive, especially since one involved a trade up.

It's another reason why the trade up for Love was so crazy. That system sucks, the players stunk too. Anyone who has conviction about him - enough to give up draft capital - one way or the other, I think that borders on delusion.
 

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Gute's staff seems to agree with the first part, but where you look for intangibles, they seem to look for athletic traits. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. On the one hand, you look at Rashan Gary - overdrafted at 12 and a major ding was his lack of college production, but he's producing better as a pro than he did in college and he's arguably still not used to his best potential as a pro. They got some part of that projection right. On the other hand, we are on the precipice of GB cutting bait on a recent 2nd rounder and two 3rd rounders, all busts (Josh Jackson, Jake Sternberger, Oren Burks). Those misses are massive, especially since one involved a trade up.

It's another reason why the trade up for Love was so crazy. That system sucks, the players stunk too. Anyone who has conviction about him - enough to give up draft capital - one way or the other, I think that borders on delusion.
Burks is also a guy who if my memory is correct moved from Safety to LB at Vandy, back to my original post on some kids out of position coming in. The Jackson pick is blatant miss based on Iowa's system
 

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Burks is also a guy who if my memory is correct moved from Safety to LB at Vandy, back to my original post on some kids out of position coming in. The Jackson pick is blatant miss based on Iowa's system
Burks looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. At a position where you NEED intangibles and attitude, the guy had none. Complete goof in evaluation. With Jackson they thought they were getting value based on his production but they should've stuck with some of their athletic demands - don't take a 4.56 corner, period.
 

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Burks looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. At a position where you NEED intangibles and attitude, the guy had none. Complete goof in evaluation. With Jackson they thought they were getting value based on his production but they should've stuck with some of their athletic demands - don't take a 4.56 corner, period.
Burks was a man without a position at Vandy. Like 3 in 3 years. It’s just difficult to get any consistency. I get the intangibles but probably was a difficult evaluation but that’s no excuse either
 

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Burks was a man without a position at Vandy. Like 3 in 3 years. It’s just difficult to get any consistency. I get the intangibles but probably was a difficult evaluation but that’s no excuse either
They traded up for him. Where did the conviction come from? Delusion!

I don't know. I get the trade up for Amari Rodgers. Like, guy acts like a pro, he was raised to be a pro, played in a major program, they know what they're getting as a man and a player. But Burks? Jordan Love? I don't get Gute sometimes.
 

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Burks the Packers bought in that he was a hybrid player that could play LB and was very smart and could be the guy to call the defense for GB.
 
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