Packers 2023-24 Season Thread

TW said:
Yes. This would be true.

Now, imagine the Packers work out a deal with.... let's say the 49ers, for Rodgers, but the trade will take place after June 1, because of the cap. Let's say the final go ahead on the deal is made just before the 49ers make their first round pick in 2023.

Now, the Packers and 49ers agree that "if" the 49ers did draft "Joe Blow" in the first round they'd be willing to take him as part of a trade that takes place after June 1. So, the 49ers make that pick, and lo and behold, after June 1, the trade goes down and here's Joe Blow as part of the deal.

That would be a trade agreement made "in principle," prior to the draft, and prior to the June 1 deadline, but nothing done until after June 1. It's exactly what I was talking about from the start.

To think deals like this don't happen, or can't happen, because of rules, doesn't make sense. Why? Because the whole scenario is designed to create this kind of chicanery.
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Issue there is the 49ers have to sign the draft pick and would take a dead cap hit on any SB that player would sign for.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Issue there is the 49ers have to sign the draft pick and would take a dead cap hit on any SB that player would sign for.
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Sorry. I just used the 49ers as a reference, not a trade destination. It could be the Toledo MudHens, if there was a team named that in the NFL. It could be any one of several teams.
 
TW said:
Sorry. I just used the 49ers as a reference, not a trade destination. It could be the Toledo MudHens, if there was a team named that in the NFL. It could be any one of several teams.
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Though my point is any team who would draft and trade a guy likely would not want to do that as they have to eat all that SB to sign and trade him I don't think that would be willing to happen thus Packers will have to wait and draft own players in 2024
 
GBP4EVER said:
Though my point is any team who would draft and trade a guy likely would not want to do that as they have to eat all that SB to sign and trade him I don't think that would be willing to happen thus Packers will have to wait and draft own players in 2024
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The signing bonus isn't involved. None of the money in the contract is. The contract goes into effect when both the team and player sign it. The team trading the player is trading the rights to his service before a contract is signed. We've seen this happen already, several years ago. I can't remember who it was, but he was drafted by one team, with the full knowledge it was being done so he could be part of a trade at a later date, and when the trade went down, he had already agreed to a contract in principle with the team that he would actually play for. The money was paid by that team, not the one who drafted him.

I don't recall. Was it Manning who wouldn't play on the West coast?

If that trade wasn't consummated until after June 1, would this be legit? I see nothing in the rules that would stop it from happening.
 
TW said:
The signing bonus isn't involved. None of the money in the contract is. The contract goes into effect when both the team and player sign it. The team trading the player is trading the rights to his service before a contract is signed. We've seen this happen already, several years ago. I can't remember who it was, but he was drafted by one team, with the full knowledge it was being done so he could be part of a trade at a later date, and when the trade went down, he had already agreed to a contract in principle with the team that he would actually play for. The money was paid by that team, not the one who drafted him.

I don't recall. Was it Manning who wouldn't play on the West coast?

If that trade wasn't consummated until after June 1, would this be legit? I see nothing in the rules that would stop it from happening.
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Not sure because while SD drafted Manning and NY drafted Rivers they were both traded on draft day. Not sure if something like this could happen.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Not sure because while SD drafted Manning and NY drafted Rivers they were both traded on draft day. Not sure if something like this could happen.
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Let's look at it this way. Without going outside the box, to create the scenario in advance.

Assume on June 2nd, the Packers see a guy that was drafted by the Mud Hens in the first round that they actually wanted. Assume he has yet to sign his rookie contract. Now, let's say that the Mud Hens would be more than happy to trade this guy they drafted for the rights to Rodgers. So, they make the trade, and the Packers sign this guy after they've received the rights to negotiate with him. That's totally legitimate.

Now, in my scenario, the only thing that has changed is that both teams agree in advance of the draft that they will specifically do something. The Mud Hens agree to draft the player the Packers want. Then, they will hold off on negotiations on his contract until after June 1. At that point, they offer the rights to him to the Packers, in return for Rodgers. The trade is made. Now, understand that whether or not the suggested trade will ever take place or not will hinge on the team actually being able to pick that player in the draft. If he's gone already, the deal is nullified.

The only thing different between the two scenarios is that an agreement to a trade has been made "in principle" between the two teams, and has only been discussed, not made. The decision to make the trade official comes after June 1, officially. For all intents and purposes, until that point, it's all speculation and nothing more than discussing a potential trade.

So, as I've been stating all along, you can finagle trades through certain methods, without actually breaching the NFL agreement on them, and at the same time, do it through means that are somewhat devious, because you've worked the system.
 
I got on my soapbox but got off it.

But, if you any of you guys really think Rodgers doesn't want another Lombardi - look at the Comedy Section, it's about you. You're stoned off your ass.

it's easy to attack Rodgers because he doesn't have Championships. The world loves to take stars down a peg.
 
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