NIL - Texas style

TW said:
So, you're saying only a select few are going to get the money? I'm afraid you've missed something here.

Big Joe Johnson, an offensive left tackle who decides to go to Timbuktu U to play ball, and gets $250 a month to pay for pizza is going to go out there and block his arse off for Johnny Football, the QB, who is getting $1,000,000 a year to smile for the camera?

If you think that's going to fly with Joe, you're sadly mistaken. You're going to see more spread, across the board, to insure you get the right people on the field, and doing their job.

That doesn't mean 90-100 guys are going to get a huge chunk, but it will probably mean that somewhere in the 30 player range the figure will be substantial, and tiered below that as you tentatively work through the depth chart. Even that could change, year to year, and guys not getting enough will be entering the portal to go where they get what they consider "a fair share."

This whole thing isn't being done in a vacuum. It's being done on a broad scale, in a world where greed, avarice, and self gratification is going to destroy a lot of programs if they get too far out of line on money per player. In fact, an imbalance in payments to these kids could destroy a top program.

You are right on one thing. There will be schools that got all the NIL support they could dream about, and others who won't see enough being offered to players, to get them a Subway sandwich, twice a week. It's going to be worse than the difference between Mahomes contract and a guy on the practice squad's paycheck.
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Never used the words or implied select few. The words GPB is most will get paid and there is no evidence of that. And even to the word substantial is a reach. And some of the promises being made by agents (I use the word agent loosely) is a nice story and I know for a fact it’s more oblivion than reality

Probably your top 22 will get cash, how much is subjective. Skill players will get more even LT as Day implied. And sure there are slim outliners handing out cash same way there has been for 25 years or more.

The disparity in NIL pay / collectives whatever you want to call it won’t change the landscape of power in any conference anytime soon. Hell So Cal does not even have a collective but their recruiting has not skipped a beat. I’ll say in again in due respect, what I hear and you hear about NIL is not in alignment. And that’s fine.
 
FlaPack said:
10 fold ? again zero evidence it is. And again there is no evidence that “most” kids are cashing.
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Come on we know with money being throw around is more then ever alumni don't have to hide it anymore and can flaunt it.
 
TW said:
So, you're saying only a select few are going to get the money? I'm afraid you've missed something here.

Big Joe Johnson, an offensive left tackle who decides to go to Timbuktu U to play ball, and gets $250 a month to pay for pizza is going to go out there and block his arse off for Johnny Football, the QB, who is getting $1,000,000 a year to smile for the camera?

If you think that's going to fly with Joe, you're sadly mistaken. You're going to see more spread, across the board, to insure you get the right people on the field, and doing their job.

That doesn't mean 90-100 guys are going to get a huge chunk, but it will probably mean that somewhere in the 30 player range the figure will be substantial, and tiered below that as you tentatively work through the depth chart. Even that could change, year to year, and guys not getting enough will be entering the portal to go where they get what they consider "a fair share."

This whole thing isn't being done in a vacuum. It's being done on a broad scale, in a world where greed, avarice, and self gratification is going to destroy a lot of programs if they get too far out of line on money per player. In fact, an imbalance in payments to these kids could destroy a top program.

You are right on one thing. There will be schools that got all the NIL support they could dream about, and others who won't see enough being offered to players, to get them a Subway sandwich, twice a week. It's going to be worse than the difference between Mahomes contract and a guy on the practice squad's paycheck.
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Yep there are some places already offering like the entire OL money. At some point these collectives will be big enough that everyone from #1 to the 90th player will get some type of cash in their pocket.
 
Looking for a simple way to divvy up millions of dollars, and not make it complicated when it comes to NIL? Get the school to allow your donor group to have a complete team picture, possibly several different ones, with the 80 to 90 guys that are on the team, including those who are walk-ons, and those who only dress at home, but aren't on the traveling team. Get the school to establish that all the players that will be in that picture will submit to the NIL agreement from the donor group, or they won't be on the team. A simple written agreement will take care of that, and it does not violate their rights.

Next, allow all members of that collective donor group to use the pictures of all the players, in their advertising. Then allow them to actually move forward and create individual deals with players they feel will maximize their NIL objectives, in return for the money. Since the money paid was to create a vehicle that will be used in advertising, it has become tax deductible, and it does not violate agreements that can be made beyond that, with the individual players, to earn additional money through personalized endorsements of products, services, etc. All of it is above board, and in the real world, income, and deductible business expenses.

The unique thing about this type of agreement is that you can include as many players as you want, and pay as much as you want, in a blanket agreement that allows for additional NIL benefits to many. When Texas donors said they would produce $50k for every offensive lineman, rest assured that put in motion others who are going to do the same thing, to cover every other facet of the game. In the end, what they set was a $50k minimum across the board, and it "should" include anyone who puts on the uniform.

Are they there yet? According to my sources, they are darned close. It's only a matter of time, and the actual figure may have been low at $50k.

Where does all this leave the average team? They will suffer without the funds being out there for players they want to recruit. Count on it. Only a fool would put big bucks into one player on NIL, and leave the rest of the team high and dry. In the end, the entire program would be useless.

Let's look at the Quin Ewers deal. A four year deal and it is inclusive signing of autographs. That's a personal deal, and should not interfere with the Texas program. That would be at level 2. Level one would be name and likeness in photographs, and not individual earnings from a program at the team level.

At level 1, where it's the team photos, etc, there could be as many as 1,000 donors, or more. Let's take the $13 mill that Ryan Day spoke of. Divide that by the 1,000 donors and we're talking $130,000 each, not millions. For UT, there's an estimate of as many as 2,000 donors at the grass roots level, and that would be $65,000 each.

Value? Down here in Texas, you tell which cattle belong to whom by the brand. The products you'll buy, and the places you shop, will be those that supply the brands you want on them. Unless you know how these people operate, you're pissing into the wind when you say this isn't going to happen. And, if you know Texas winds, we call 20 mph winds, with gusts to 40, a light breeze.
 
By the way. If you don't believe that "the brand" is what pushes you to the top in Texas, think of two names. H E B Supermarkets and Whataburger. Both are branded to Texas, and even though they've expanded outside the state now, they are joined at the hip with Texans, and they are the tops in their respective fields by a long shot. I could go on, and tell you about how even car and truck manufacturers realize this, and use Texas branded names to sell the products they manufacture. Ford has cleaned up over the years with their King Ranch pick up trucks, because they're branded.

Here's a few. It permeates everything down here, not just vehicles.
  • Chevrolet Silverado Texas Edition.
  • Ram Lone Star Edition and Laramie Longhorn.
  • Ford Texas Edition and King Ranch.
  • Nissan Texas Titan.
  • Toyota Tundra Texas Edition and 1794 Edition.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Yep there are some places already offering like the entire OL money. At some point these collectives will be big enough that everyone from #1 to the 90th player will get some type of cash in their pocket.
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I really don’t know where you get this stuff. The collectives won’t just dish money out like some drunk at the blackjack table in Vegas. Wisconsin has a deal with its OL already so yeah some places have a few deals
 
TW said:
By the way. If you don't believe that "the brand" is what pushes you to the top in Texas, think of two names. H E B Supermarkets and Whataburger. Both are branded to Texas, and even though they've expanded outside the state now, they are joined at the hip with Texans, and they are the tops in their respective fields by a long shot. I could go on, and tell you about how even car and truck manufacturers realize this, and use Texas branded names to sell the products they manufacture. Ford has cleaned up over the years with their King Ranch pick up trucks, because they're branded.

Here's a few. It permeates everything down here, not just vehicles.
  • Chevrolet Silverado Texas Edition.
  • Ram Lone Star Edition and Laramie Longhorn.
  • Ford Texas Edition and King Ranch.
  • Nissan Texas Titan.
  • Toyota Tundra Texas Edition and 1794 Edition.
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I am very familiar with the automotive business in Texas. If they pull off any deal in Texas it will be thru the DMG’s or RMG’s which based on how they are funded will unlikely pay up. It’s going to be Tier 3 money like the Lambo deal
 
TW said:
Looking for a simple way to divvy up millions of dollars, and not make it complicated when it comes to NIL? Get the school to allow your donor group to have a complete team picture, possibly several different ones, with the 80 to 90 guys that are on the team, including those who are walk-ons, and those who only dress at home, but aren't on the traveling team. Get the school to establish that all the players that will be in that picture will submit to the NIL agreement from the donor group, or they won't be on the team. A simple written agreement will take care of that, and it does not violate their rights.

Next, allow all members of that collective donor group to use the pictures of all the players, in their advertising. Then allow them to actually move forward and create individual deals with players they feel will maximize their NIL objectives, in return for the money. Since the money paid was to create a vehicle that will be used in advertising, it has become tax deductible, and it does not violate agreements that can be made beyond that, with the individual players, to earn additional money through personalized endorsements of products, services, etc. All of it is above board, and in the real world, income, and deductible business expenses.

The unique thing about this type of agreement is that you can include as many players as you want, and pay as much as you want, in a blanket agreement that allows for additional NIL benefits to many. When Texas donors said they would produce $50k for every offensive lineman, rest assured that put in motion others who are going to do the same thing, to cover every other facet of the game. In the end, what they set was a $50k minimum across the board, and it "should" include anyone who puts on the uniform.

Are they there yet? According to my sources, they are darned close. It's only a matter of time, and the actual figure may have been low at $50k.

Where does all this leave the average team? They will suffer without the funds being out there for players they want to recruit. Count on it. Only a fool would put big bucks into one player on NIL, and leave the rest of the team high and dry. In the end, the entire program would be useless.

Let's look at the Quin Ewers deal. A four year deal and it is inclusive signing of autographs. That's a personal deal, and should not interfere with the Texas program. That would be at level 2. Level one would be name and likeness in photographs, and not individual earnings from a program at the team level.

At level 1, where it's the team photos, etc, there could be as many as 1,000 donors, or more. Let's take the $13 mill that Ryan Day spoke of. Divide that by the 1,000 donors and we're talking $130,000 each, not millions. For UT, there's an estimate of as many as 2,000 donors at the grass roots level, and that would be $65,000 each.

Value? Down here in Texas, you tell which cattle belong to whom by the brand. The products you'll buy, and the places you shop, will be those that supply the brands you want on them. Unless you know how these people operate, you're pissing into the wind when you say this isn't going to happen. And, if you know Texas winds, we call 20 mph winds, with gusts to 40, a light breeze.
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That’s called group licensing, which is the only way schools allow collectives to use marks IP rights in things like photos and such.
 
FlaPack said:
I really don’t know where you get this stuff. The collectives won’t just dish money out like some drunk at the blackjack table in Vegas. Wisconsin has a deal with its OL already so yeah some places have a few deals
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Come on at some point pretty much every kid will end up with some money in their pockets
 
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