2022 Badger Football Thread

FlaPack said:
Maybe. The $11m is due Feb 1. So now drop in $5m to pay LL buyout. That’s $20m in 2023 all in …Not sure they have the stomach / stones to do that
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I disagree. I believe they did due diligence in figuring out what the ramifications would be, if they lured someone away from another program, who had a buyout.

I doubt very much that they didn't think about that very strongly, before even contemplating dumping Chryst.
 
TW said:
I disagree. I believe they did due diligence in figuring out what the ramifications would be, if they lured someone away from another program, who had a buyout.

I doubt very much that they didn't think about that very strongly, before even contemplating dumping Chryst.
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If you believe McIntosh, he did not go into the meeting anticipating to fire PC. That aligns with multiple reports that PC and many top administrators were blindsided.

Sure, you do due diligence to check multiple boxes. Is he interested? What are the financial implications both salaries and buyouts. What would the pool need to be for assistance coaches. The old resource question probably was part of that discussion. And I highly doubt any of that due diligence happened before that Sunday meeting. And typically that due diligence is done via search firms

On top of that, the PC buyout was not negotiated until Tuesday / Wednesday of that week so all the UW Foundation was aware of was the $20 over 4 years due PC, not a lump sum $11m on Feb 1.

Back to the search firm, Alvarez did not use one, his famous comment “I don’t call search firms, search firms call me”. Which brings me back to how much input if any does Alvarez have.

So clearly they know what the PC buyout is now, they probably have a comp range for the new HC which includes the Foundation portion and good change that have a cap what buyout they could stomach. I just don’t see, and hope I’m wrong but $20m for this institution seems like a reach.
 
Of course McIntosh would say he didn't go into the meeting to fire Chryst. He may have talked to those who would support doing so, if it was required, but didn't go in there with the intent. Of course, that doesn't mean that option was on the table, depending on Chryst's reaction what the discussion was about. Then there's the fact that it's McIntosh's job to take the heat on issues like this, so everyone else can stay out of it, and let him handle it. But, rest assured, they had a pretty good idea what they could, and would do, if it came to it being necessary.

I believe it starts with the recruiting problem, and involves a lot of issues relating to organization, and duties. Of course I'm guessing, but I can see it now.

"Sit down Paul! There's a few issues we need to go over. I have a few people above me asking questions, and they want answers."

"Sure! Go ahead." Of course Chryst would be fuming. Someone having the gall to question his running of a successful program? Who the hell did they think they were? He's the new "Emperor!"

"How has reorganization of the recruiting group going? Any progress?"

"Yup! It's going the way I want it to. Next question?"

"What have you done to improve that area?"

"You do know I run the football program, not you. I'll do what I think is necessary to straighten out any problems anyone perceives. That is, if I agree with you. But, it's my decision, not yours. Do you understand?"

At this point, McIntosh would have to either tell him flat out that he's the coach, and not the guy who runs the athletic department. Of course Chryst would reiterate that it's his job, and McIntosh should "butt out!"

At that point, there would be one last attempt to straighten Chryst out, and if he told him to go to hell, it would be the end of the line. One of them would have to go. I believe that those higher up in the chain had given him permission to pull the rug out from under Chryst if necessary, and he did it.

The standard operating procedure in something like this would be, "Don't worry about it. We can find the money to support your decision, if you have to fire him." It would have been discussed some time before the meeting.

McIntosh is doing his job, like it or not, and taking the heat for the decision, because that's his job. I think it's a statement that there are people out there that would like to find a way to attempt to swim in the deep end of the lake with the big fish, instead of being the big fish in a small fish bowl.

But that's my opinion. I don't believe that McIntosh or those who support him, are total idiots. As for those who say they were blindsided, those could well be the people who thought Chryst was the best thing since sliced bread, and an anti-McIntosh group, who were lobbying to remove him, and install Chryst as the new AD.

This was no different than a corporate shake up, where someone ends up sliced and diced. Others will fall as well, on the sidelines, and in admin. Count on it.
 
TW said:
Of course McIntosh would say he didn't go into the meeting to fire Chryst. He may have talked to those who would support doing so, if it was required, but didn't go in there with the intent. Of course, that doesn't mean that option was on the table, depending on Chryst's reaction what the discussion was about. Then there's the fact that it's McIntosh's job to take the heat on issues like this, so everyone else can stay out of it, and let him handle it. But, rest assured, they had a pretty good idea what they could, and would do, if it came to it being necessary.

I believe it starts with the recruiting problem, and involves a lot of issues relating to organization, and duties. Of course I'm guessing, but I can see it now.

"Sit down Paul! There's a few issues we need to go over. I have a few people above me asking questions, and they want answers."

"Sure! Go ahead." Of course Chryst would be fuming. Someone having the gall to question his running of a successful program? Who the hell did they think they were? He's the new "Emperor!"

"How has reorganization of the recruiting group going? Any progress?"

"Yup! It's going the way I want it to. Next question?"

"What have you done to improve that area?"

"You do know I run the football program, not you. I'll do what I think is necessary to straighten out any problems anyone perceives. That is, if I agree with you. But, it's my decision, not yours. Do you understand?"

At this point, McIntosh would have to either tell him flat out that he's the coach, and not the guy who runs the athletic department. Of course Chryst would reiterate that it's his job, and McIntosh should "butt out!"

At that point, there would be one last attempt to straighten Chryst out, and if he told him to go to hell, it would be the end of the line. One of them would have to go. I believe that those higher up in the chain had given him permission to pull the rug out from under Chryst if necessary, and he did it.

The standard operating procedure in something like this would be, "Don't worry about it. We can find the money to support your decision, if you have to fire him." It would have been discussed some time before the meeting.

McIntosh is doing his job, like it or not, and taking the heat for the decision, because that's his job. I think it's a statement that there are people out there that would like to find a way to attempt to swim in the deep end of the lake with the big fish, instead of being the big fish in a small fish bowl.

But that's my opinion. I don't believe that McIntosh or those who support him, are total idiots. As for those who say they were blindsided, those could well be the people who thought Chryst was the best thing since sliced bread, and an anti-McIntosh group, who were lobbying to remove him, and install Chryst as the new AD.

This was no different than a corporate shake up, where someone ends up sliced and diced. Others will fall as well, on the sidelines, and in admin. Count on it.
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I get what you are saying. I’m not a fan of McIntosh, have not been since his hire. But one thing I have been impressed with is his transparency during this transition. I do not think he had any inclination to can PC that day, something in that discussion pushed him and if I had to take an educated guess it was budget and resources. That’s where the AD has some rope.

I know recruiting is the sexy narrative but as recently as 2021 the class was 14th nationally. But what has not changed is the staff that was cut during Covid, it was never replaced. Sure the recent class is subpar but the rest was on level with BA’s and BB’s classes. About low to mid 30’s nationally. Now..:/Khalif was replaced internally, 2-3 support positions went unfilled.

One thing. McIntosh was not getting removed as AD. He was Alvarez hand picked successor and had support of the administration. His contract runs until 2026. Removing him would have taken an act of god. What’s more likely or possible is there were some that supported Chryst and another faction that wanted JL.

Right now there are many, including myself who would prefer McIntosh hire someone with no ties to the state, the university or the university system. Let’s remember history. The last person hired outside the state walls was Barry Alvarez. Bo Ryan was at D3 in state and UWM, BB was an internal hire, Gard was an internal hire. PC bled Cardinal and White , so does JL. And what was BA’a biggest failure as an AD? Hiring Gary Anderson. A coach with no ties to the state a different philosophy in recruiting and also a different approach on offense. I’m sure BA has reminded McIntosh of that.

Based on that i believe that in a perfect world JL is his pick. And yes I also believe Allen and Bracy hitting the portal was a bit of a house cleaning especially Allen who also had some “issues” that support the PC / Culture issue.
 
FlaPack said:
Allen who also had some “issues” that support the PC / Culture issue.
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I saw that "report" one of those guys was the same poster who mucked up Cephius and trashed him until he was found innocent...straight up he and the red are not trustworthy. Just saying
 
Mark87 said:
I saw that "report" one of those guys was the same poster who mucked up Cephius and trashed him until he was found innocent...straight up he and the red are not trustworthy. Just saying
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Fair. I just feel a little internal housecleaning is underway with this roster especially give the NCAA 30 day rule. Interesting that both were WR and Allen got zero snaps Saturday also. I don’t think they were heartbroken he’s out
 
FlaPack said:
I get what you are saying. I’m not a fan of McIntosh, have not been since his hire. But one thing I have been impressed with is his transparency during this transition. I do not think he had any inclination to can PC that day, something in that discussion pushed him and if I had to take an educated guess it was budget and resources. That’s where the AD has some rope.

I know recruiting is the sexy narrative but as recently as 2021 the class was 14th nationally. But what has not changed is the staff that was cut during Covid, it was never replaced. Sure the recent class is subpar but the rest was on level with BA’s and BB’s classes. About low to mid 30’s nationally. Now..:/Khalif was replaced internally, 2-3 support positions went unfilled.

One thing. McIntosh was not getting removed as AD. He was Alvarez hand picked successor and had support of the administration. His contract runs until 2026. Removing him would have taken an act of god. What’s more likely or possible is there were some that supported Chryst and another faction that wanted JL.

Right now there are many, including myself who would prefer McIntosh hire someone with no ties to the state, the university or the university system. Let’s remember history. The last person hired outside the state walls was Barry Alvarez. Bo Ryan was at D3 in state and UWM, BB was an internal hire, Gard was an internal hire. PC bled Cardinal and White , so does JL. And what was BA’a biggest failure as an AD? Hiring Gary Anderson. A coach with no ties to the state a different philosophy in recruiting and also a different approach on offense. I’m sure BA has reminded McIntosh of that.

Based on that i believe that in a perfect world JL is his pick. And yes I also believe Allen and Bracy hitting the portal was a bit of a house cleaning especially Allen who also had some “issues” that support the PC / Culture issue.
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You missed the whole crux of what I was saying because it wasn't in your narrative. I believe Chryst was telling McIntosh that he had more "support" than he did, and he would run the program any way he wanted, and McI could kiss off.

I believe he got a little too big for his britches, and from some of the reports I've read, he's brushed off some issues when they crop up. There would be no way in hell that McI would roll over and be a yes man for Chryst.

It could have been about recruiting, it could have been about almost anything that relates to the team that those higher in the pecking order wanted corrected.
 
TW said:
You missed the whole crux of what I was saying because it wasn't in your narrative. I believe Chryst was telling McIntosh that he had more "support" than he did, and he would run the program any way he wanted, and McI could kiss off.

I believe he got a little too big for his britches, and from some of the reports I've read, he's brushed off some issues when they crop up. There would be no way in hell that McI would roll over and be a yes man for Chryst.

It could have been about recruiting, it could have been about almost anything that relates to the team that those higher in the pecking order wanted corrected.
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I will respectfully disagree.

Let’s be honest. BB brushed off more than his share of issues and yeah The Emperor did also. It’s not unlike other programs who brush things under the rug and hope they go away.

Look, I was not a fan when PC was hired. And honestly his relationship with BA was not all that special over the years. Fast forward to the present and I do think a change probably was needed and my issue was and still is the timing

Any HC worth his salt would have been vocal about the lack of support this administration gives. Is it also possible that McIntosh made some assurances to PC that slots would be filled and more resources were coming? Would not doubt it at all.

Said it before, I did not like the choice at AD. Nothing that has happened the past 2 weeks changes that. I don’t trust he will make the right decision
 
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