Badger QB Preview

GBP4EVER said:
Then fans should never expect to compete in sports as they will have to reject many kids other schools will gladly accept
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They do compete. Just not at the level that some fans think they should such as Nattys.
 
We continue to plow the same ground over and over, like the vast majority of schools. The Wisconsin program competes at a fairly high level and gets better seasons and Bowl invites than the majority of schools. That's "competing" at a high level, but not an elite level.

UW will never compete regularly at the same level as the elite programs and there is pretty much nothing they can do to change that . . . period. Wisconsin is not a large state with elite level high school football. Wisconsin is cold for 4-6 months of the year and lots of kids don't want that. Wisconsin is far away from the best football players geographically, so most kids won't be interested in moving that far away. UW has tougher academic standards than most. UW doesn't have the strongest football history so doesn't have the "bling" to pull kids like an Alabama for instance. There are others.

Look no further than the other Big-10 west teams. None of them are slaying it on the recruiting trail no matter the resources. Don't you think if resources was the answer that a school like Nebraska with arguably a more rabid following and more recent history of winning natty's would just throw money at the problem? Nebraska has mostly the same problems working against it that UW does. Not quite as cold, but also a smaller more non-descript state and not as good of a university, so similar recruiting results.

UW should put more resources in place to maximize their opportunities, but let's not kid ourselves, the difference will be marginal. Using the example posted above, how many more talented players is Michigan State pulling with their 12 recruiting office staff than UW is pulling with their 4? NIL may screw things up even more and create a totally new layer of "haves" and "have nots". UW needs to up it's resources, find some NIL options to entice some kids, and at some point perhaps add new leadership with better recruiting chops, but none of that will make them OSU.
 
4 vs 12? The answer is simple. They're getting their foot in the door in more cases than the Badgers. Then they have more opportunity to focus their attention on these kids, not be spread too thin.
 
57packer said:
We continue to plow the same ground over and over, like the vast majority of schools. The Wisconsin program competes at a fairly high level and gets better seasons and Bowl invites than the majority of schools. That's "competing" at a high level, but not an elite level.

UW will never compete regularly at the same level as the elite programs and there is pretty much nothing they can do to change that . . . period. Wisconsin is not a large state with elite level high school football. Wisconsin is cold for 4-6 months of the year and lots of kids don't want that. Wisconsin is far away from the best football players geographically, so most kids won't be interested in moving that far away. UW has tougher academic standards than most. UW doesn't have the strongest football history so doesn't have the "bling" to pull kids like an Alabama for instance. There are others.

Look no further than the other Big-10 west teams. None of them are slaying it on the recruiting trail no matter the resources. Don't you think if resources was the answer that a school like Nebraska with arguably a more rabid following and more recent history of winning natty's would just throw money at the problem? Nebraska has mostly the same problems working against it that UW does. Not quite as cold, but also a smaller more non-descript state and not as good of a university, so similar recruiting results.

UW should put more resources in place to maximize their opportunities, but let's not kid ourselves, the difference will be marginal. Using the example posted above, how many more talented players is Michigan State pulling with their 12 recruiting office staff than UW is pulling with their 4? NIL may screw things up even more and create a totally new layer of "haves" and "have nots". UW needs to up it's resources, find some NIL options to entice some kids, and at some point perhaps add new leadership with better recruiting chops, but none of that will make them OSU.
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On point. Exactly spot on. You could up the budget 30% and it may get you 1 or 2 kids.
 
TW said:
4 vs 12? The answer is simple. They're getting their foot in the door in more cases than the Badgers. Then they have more opportunity to focus their attention on these kids, not be spread too thin.
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Won’t matter much honestly. As pointed out above you might get a small bump

Iowa, Purdue, Nebraska all have the same issues. The change needs to be more on academic side, that opens the pool. How much ? Who knows. They were looser when BB was in Madison and really relaxed under BA. It’s never moved the needle
 
One or two kids could be 4 or 5 star players. It could also change the level of kids you get, from a mid 3 star to a low 4 star, which would be a major upgrade in performance capability.

The one or two players is just a number, not an indicator of talent level, because that's something that would be built over time.
 
TW said:
One or two kids could be 4 or 5 star players. It could also change the level of kids you get, from a mid 3 star to a low 4 star, which would be a major upgrade in performance capability.

The one or two players is just a number, not an indicator of talent level, because that's something that would be built over time.
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And there in itself is the issue. 4 star kids are historically not going to Wisconsin or Iowa or Nebraska or Purdue.

Case in point. UW offered 9 4 star RB, 13 4 star WR. Of those RB 2 went to PSU, rest to other programs. Of the WR group 5 went to B1G schools (Michigan & OSU) 1 to IU kid was local in Indy.

When you look at the offer list and where these kids end up it’s to, for the most part SEC & ACC programs. It’s the nature of the beast.
 
It's all about building relationships at the high school level, not instant gratification because you changed what you're doing. It will take several years to change the landscape of your recruiting. It's an evolving level of trust that you develop at the grass root level. It's why we can't compete now, and if this attitude continues, we never will.

Of course, if people want to continue living in the Larry David world of saying it ain't gonna work is just fine with me. I won't live long enough to see the results of doing it right anyhow.
 
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